Track Sponsors for Long Beach 1976 to 1978 & 1980 to 1983 W.I.P.

To be more precise, this is an exact case of someone who has stolen content created with the effort of another, rather than stealing the content itself. Very few sponsors are actually designed from scratch by modders; they are recreating real-life counterparts of something.

Let's put it this way. If you take sponsors from other tracks, from a sponsors pack, or from the internet to mod a free game and publish for free, you have "stolen" those companies behind their trademarks. If they complain against you, you would probably see that as ridiculous even when they are in their own right. The same can apply to JMM against Edge, but what makes the transition from ridiculous to disgusting is to take advantage of the effort with malice aforethought to do the exact same thing Edge pretends for the sole intention of pissing him off while taking Edge's efforts and credit (not so taking the sponsors as such; EvangelionTitus did that accidentally, but the action itself was identical). Especially while JMM and Edge have their own story. One quite awful that brings topics such as astroturfing, sock-puppetry, shilling campaigns, defamation, and cyberbullying. This is what should be exposed.

Fabian instead just dedicates time in preparing/modding/creating sponsor pictures to give the F1C tracks a few steps closer to reality in resembling the era. Nothing more, no hidden pretensions neither. That's something innocuous if you ask me.

However, complaining about having sponsors taken away from you "as such" is quite anticlimactic from my point of view. I can think of many ways to defend myself if I were JMM because of the way the problem has been exposed.

Anyway, I have not come to sow controversy. Just bring my own perspective. Perhaps uncomfortable, but necessary for me.

I answer you very simply ...
if this guy takes sponsors from this forum, for me it's stealing ...
if he searches for them on the internet and re-elaborates them in his own way (surely they will never same like these) then the matter changes ...
anyway, I understand that if he had asked, certainly permission to use them would have been granted ...
But I'm definitely not talking about copyrights (hardly Marlboro will ever give them to us), but simply about the files attached to this forum

Luigi 70 wrote:for many years I wondered what this logo meant,    

now thanks to Rob Ryder, I know it perfectly   ...

Le Club International,  Fort Lauderdale, Florida
https://www.floridamemory.com/fpc/prints/pr21269.jpg

that's what I mean ...
I didn't create the logo ...
nor do I own the copyrights ...
but thanks to the help of a friend I was able to rebuild it ...
I could also give you other examples, like when I contacted one of the heirs of the Leader Card Midget to get a clearer photo of one of their cars used in the 1959..
so if one arrives and stole my reconstruction work, without at least mentioning me ... it is obvious that I get angry.

Cristian Luis wrote:Especially while JMM and Edge have their own story. One quite awful that brings topics such as astroturfing, sock-puppetry, shilling campaigns, defamation, and cyberbullying. This is what should be exposed.

Indeed. And Cristian knows every part of the beef between JMM and myself (even the fact that i used to be one of JMM admins and i know every dastardly things that Juan did not only in leeching terms, as Cristian said there´s more topics especially when he promotes harrassment and cyberbullying from his public and private Facebook groups through sockpuppetry or using goon squads)

Cristian Luis wrote:Fabian instead just dedicates time in preparing/modding/creating sponsor pictures to give the F1C tracks a few steps closer to reality in resembling the era. Nothing more, no hidden pretensions neither. That's something innocuous if you ask me.

Nothing more to say or argue.

Cristian Luis wrote:However, complaining about having sponsors taken away from you "as such" is quite anticlimactic from my point of view. I can think of many ways to defend myself if I were JMM because of the way the problem has been exposed.

As I mentioned elsewhere, it is very nice to use all diplomatic resources to maintain ethics and goodwill, even when I have the right to make decisions, i preferred not to do so and let Carlos, Cristian (when he was at CMT) and Alfredo take given their knowledge and experience. However sometimes diplomacy doesn´t work and you have to be more "vocal" about some topics (and quite honestly when you have a mix of leeching and cyberbullying can be a very tricky issue) even when JMM was exposed several times and i thought that he learned the lesson he comes back with his antics. Therefore as a measure to end this quarrel i will put watermarks in next sponsors and if anyone here wants a watermark free sponsor you can ask it in PM (for instance i will help Cristian with it)

...and maybe to tighten access to certain content

Well after cleanin´ the house, working hard and still packing to moving a new house i can made Austria 1984 with some cool watermarks















Merry Christmas to All of You
Feliz Navidad a Todos Ustedes
Feliz Natal Para Todos Vocês
Veselé Vánoce Vám Všem
Joyeux Noel A Vous Tous
Buon Natale A Tutti Voi
Wesołych Świąt dla was wszystkich
みなさんへのメリークリスマス

Few new sponsors for Osterreich 1985 (the most are already made)

...advantages of flexibility

With 1986 and 1987 Osterreichring is done.

...up next Imola 80-82 (finally ) and all of already research by all of you made will be very useful to me  










Happy 2022 for everyone !
Feliz 2022 para todos!
みんなにとって幸せな2022年！
Buon 2022 a tutti!
Šťastný rok 2022 pro všechny!
Szczęśliwego 2022 roku dla wszystkich!

It's nice to see that you wish you happy holidays in my Polish language

Due to all the prior research done by Sudden and Racefan97 for David M Imola circuit pack, I was able to have a very good starting point and i got my job done more easily.

Thanks a lot !



Those are some from 1980 Imola

...again thanks to all of you, especially the previous circuit research

Some sponsors of Imola 1981