Formula 1 pictures of 1964

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6 septembre 1964 - Monza
78 tours x 5.750 km - 448.500 km

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Zandvoort 1965

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6 septembre 1964 - Monza
78 tours x 5.750 km - 448.500 km

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In these 6 photos the car is a Ferrari 1512 model that did not officially debuted until the US GP of 1964. In the photos where the driver is Bandini clearly are from 1965.
However, I have a slight doubt about what Surtees is driving because in Monza-64 he used the number 2 and in 1965 the number he used was 8.
On the other hand, in the race of Monza-65 no one used the Nº2 but there is information that John tried in practices a 1512 with the Nº2.
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My question is: Does anyone have information that in Monza-64 Surtees I have tried out a 1512 practice with No. 2?
If nobody has that information, I would be inclined to think that all the photos are from 1965.
Opinions?

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6 septembre 1964 - Monza
78 tours x 5.750 km - 448.500 km

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German GP

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6 septembre 1964 - Monza
78 tours x 5.750 km - 448.500 km

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In my opinion this is not the Lotus 25 by Chris Amon, who did not really appear in the GP.
Maybe it's Geki's De Sanctis F3.

Rodo115 wrote:In these 6 photos the car is a Ferrari 1512 model that did not officially debuted until the US GP of 1964. In the photos where the driver is Bandini clearly are from 1965.
However, I have a slight doubt about what Surtees is driving because in Monza-64 he used the number 2 and in 1965 the number he used was 8.
On the other hand, in the race of Monza-65 no one used the Nº2 but there is information that John tried in practices a 1512 with the Nº2.
Here the link: [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.]
My question is: Does anyone have information that in Monza-64 Surtees I have tried out a 1512 practice with No. 2?
If nobody has that information, I would be inclined to think that all the photos are from 1965.
Opinions?

These 2 photos are from 1964 (4 others - 1965, you're right):

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6 septembre 1964 - Monza
78 tours x 5.750 km - 448.500 km

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Compare with this photo:

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Look at the engine cover and position of the number on the side of the car - in 1965 these details are different. And look at the engine - for example, only six electric cables in 1964.

Thunder:
Are you sure those photos are from Monza-64?
Because then the 12 cylinder engine was tested in GP practices.
Do you have any information on that?

On the other hand, I still think they are from 1965 because Forghieri usually tested several engine and chassis configurations, so I'm not surprised by the differences with the car that participated in the race.

Rodo115 wrote:Thunder:
Are you sure those photos are from Monza-64?
Because then the 12 cylinder engine was tested in GP practices.
Do you have any information on that?

On the other hand, I still think they are from 1965 because Forghieri usually tested several engine and chassis configurations, so I'm not surprised by the differences with the car that participated in the race.

MotorSport Magazin, October 1964, the Italian Grand Prix report (pages 24-25):
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Compare these photos (Ferrari and Honda in the garages):
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Look at the floor - the same boxes.


Conclusion - Bandini, Italian Grand Prix 1964:
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Ferrari 1512

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Ferrari 158

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Ferrari 156 Aero (Does anyone have this photo in the large size, without watermark?)